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*****FLY CLASSICS PROXY 2020/2021****preliminary talk and rules

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  • *****FLY CLASSICS PROXY 2020/2021****preliminary talk and rules



    Fly Classics Proxy


    The goal of this proxy championship is to provide close and competitive racing for the Fly Classic line of slot cars. There are some inherent problems with getting reliable performance out of these cars, which I hope to address in the rules while not making the cars “too open” as to increase costs and complexity too much.

    *****FORMAT*****

    The plan will be to run a standard Proxy racing format.

    10 rounds on routed wood track, either braid or tape.

    A minimum of 3 lanes, and 3 minutes per lane should be run, with the drivers remaining the same for each lane throughout the race.

    Voltage used should be between 10 and 12v, and this is to be decided and disclosed by the host. It does not need to be disclosed until after the race finish.


    ***New for my proxies in 2021****

    1-There will be 1 pt awarded for tq qualifier in this series.

    2-I am also including 1 drop race. Your worst result will be discarded, your best 9 finished count toward to the championship total. If you happen to tq a race and have a poor finish, then your race with the lowest total POINTS will be discarded.



    At this time I am looking for input regarding any of these rules, as we have plenty of time to solidify this before moving forward.


    The cars:

    Ferrari 512s

    GT40

    Lola T70

    Porsche 908 and 906

    Porsche 917 (all Fly classic versions of this car are legal, 10, long tail, spyder etc.)

    Chevron B21


    There are many variants of these cars, if there is one that is not on the list that you would like to add please post it here for review. I am aware that these cars did not all race together in a series, however they all run very closely to eachother in my opinion when tuned well. They represent a “period of racing” as opposed to an actual championship.


    Chassis


    All cars must use the stock plastic chassis that came with the car you intend to run. No 3d or other chassis will be allowed.


    You may add a front axle tube to any of the cars, but this rule is specifically to allow the fixing of the independent fronts many of these cars came with.


    You may trim up to 1/16” inch off the perimeter of the chassis to achieve the desired amount of body float.

    Chassis be modified to accommodate more guide rotation. See thread in here for tutorial/questions.

    Any type of reinforcement is allowed, so long as it is only glued in place and not visible from the outside or underside of the car.

    No ballast may be added to underside of the chassis. This includes lead or brass of any kind.


    No aftermarket front axle carriers are allowed (like those that allow a Slot.it style axle height adjustment)


    Any guide may be used, including anything needed to adapt it to your car. Guide depth should not be longer than 6.5mm under the braids.

    No ball bearings.

    No magnets



    Axles:


    Any axles and gear ratio is allowed.


    Sidewinder gears must have .5mm minimum clearance to allow for tire wear until touching. This will be tech’d.

    Independent front ends are allowed, factory independent cars can be converted to solid axle.


    Wheels and tires:


    This will be a rubber tire only proxy.


    All wheels must have a scale appearing insert. No aluminum finish wheels will be allowed, unless they are painted and look scale for the car.


    The maximum rear wheel size allowed will be 15x12mm. Many of these cars can fit this size. Tire width can be 13mm.


    Front wheel size shall be not narrower than 7mm, tires can be coned and coated to reduce friction. Must have at least 5mm of flat tire on the track.


    Rear wheel diameter may not be smaller than the front.


    Motor:


    Stock Fly motors or SCC Gator.

    ADDED 4/8, AFTER SOME RESEARCH. The SCC Gator motor will be the only allowed motor aside from the Fly. Blackstripe must be present (I will only inspect if you car is noticeably faster than others)


    No opening the cans.


    Bodies and interior:


    Bodies should be stock. Light trimming if needed for float is ok. NO trimming to diameter of wheel well allowed to fit larger wheel and tire combinations.


    Interiors are to be stock. I am aware that many of these models have problems with the interiors rubbing. Modification to the floor of the interior is allowed as long as it does not exceed ⅛” of material removal. Most of these cars can be made to run good by just sanding or filing the bottom of the interior.


    All body accessories should be used. This includes rear gear boxes, wings and mirrors.




    At this time all of these rules are up for discussion. This is the first set of rules I have written completely from scratch and I am sure there is some clarification to be done.


    If you would like to participate in this. It is unlikely to start before January 2021, but I would like a show of interest before we keep going. So put your name down. We will see how the current events effects the proxies already in motion.


    Zack

    Grid is currently full, you can get on the waitlist if you wish, there are usually some drop outs close to the start.

    Current entries:

    1. Stumbley- car/# TBD

    2. midagekid1- car TBD #15

    3. Docdoom- 908 - #12

    4. ZackM- TBD - #18

    5.BigDuhg- 917 - #TBD

    6. ChrisguyW- car? - #8

    7. ArroldN- 906 - #9

    8. Mitch58- Chevron - #56

    9. Redlynr- tbd- #1

    10. Zcarfan-TBD

    11. Double-B TBD - #5

    12. ALS - 917 spyder # conflict.

    13. CJ74 - Chevron - #6

    14. CGYracer - TBD - #10

    15. Reek455- 512s - #22

    16. Dungeonracer- Lola t70- TBD

    17. MOV41T - lola t70 - tbd

    18. Modelersc- 917lh- tbd

    19.leadfinger- Chevron - #64

    20. Sadco Racing- 908 - tbd

    21. 101corvettes - tbd - tbd

    22. Modernslots - tbd -tbd

    23. Mseitz - 908 - tbd

    24. Old Red -917 spyder #11

    25. REL13 - 917 - #4

    26. RobNC - 908 - tbd

    27. Pepsi62 - tbd - tbd

    28. Eshorer- tbd - tbd.

    29. Brumosrsr #0

    30. Radarek #27

    31. Audi1 #20

    32. CourtneyS TBD

    33. Apexbomber tbd
    Last edited by ZackM; September 30, 2020, 05:15 PM.

  • #2
    I'm in. Can run a 512, 908 or 906. I'm good with the rules as written; my understanding is that aluminum (i.e., Slot-It) wheels can be used, provided the inserts are scale and properly finished. Is that correct?

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    • ZackM
      ZackM commented
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      Correct

  • #3
    I am also in on this Proxy. Car undetermined but #15 for me.

    midagekid1

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    • #4
      I am liking this, even though I cannot make a Fly car go. As far as opening the can, too late!
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      Why doesn't my car run like that?

      Scott

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      • #5
        Zack, the rules look good !!,...............our local area clubs run a Fly Lemans class with similar rules and with the stock motor, they are plenty quick and, built well, they handle great !!

        Regards my PM on ground (spur) clearance, a 12T 7.5mm pinion with a 34/35/36T 18 mm spur works great, and offers another .5mm clearance between the spur/track.......this may be valuable on a long proxy with rubber tires.

        Cheers
        Chris Walker
        Last edited by chrisguyw; March 18, 2020, 03:21 PM.

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        • ZackM
          ZackM commented
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          Chris is was just looking into the 7.5mm pinion options. That looks like the way to go on a lot of cars I struggle with on gear clearance!

          Zack

        • chrisguyw
          chrisguyw commented
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          7.5 mm pinions coupled with 18mm spurs are are real good idea (for a bunch of reasons) on all Fly and Scaley etc. cars that typically use 19mm spurs in conjunction with 6.5 mm pinions.
          Just make sure that with 7.5mm pinions to stick to 12/13/14 tooth counts,....anything outside this range will not mesh well at all due to the silly bugger manufacturing games that are played to offer differing tooth counts within a fixed diameter.
          Last edited by chrisguyw; March 18, 2020, 04:03 PM.

        • ZackM
          ZackM commented
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          I will definitely be getting some of those. I hadn't even looked into them until this problem came up. Thanks for the tips!

      • #6
        In 908 # 12

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        • #7
          I’m in. I’ll be in some sort of 917.

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          • #8
            Hi Zack, Please put me down for #8.......car is already built !!

            Cheers
            Chris Walker

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            • #9
              You guys are added. If we get lets say 16 or more people we will push forward!

              Zack

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              • #10
                Click image for larger version  Name:	2017 Porsche vs Ford 1.jpg Views:	0 Size:	202.0 KB ID:	27147 I'm in #9 Porsche Carrera 906. Would you consider changing your interior rule. I have the original dash and driver but the rest is card stock. I would hate to have to buy a car just to meet that aspect of the rules The car currently has a 3D chassis but I did find the original chassis. This picture shows the stock interior. Maybe It is in a box somewhere. If 29 is not taken I could remove the 9 to make it look a little cleaner.
                Last edited by arroldn; March 18, 2020, 08:15 PM.

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                • ZackM
                  ZackM commented
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                  Got you in Arrold!

              • #11
                Here is the Porsche as it looks currently with a card interior under the stock dash. Other Fly Classics. There is a Lola T70 in that hole downstairs somewhere.
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                • #12
                  I'm in.
                  Prolly be a 908 or something of that ilk.
                  Prolly be #5 unless I use one of these bodies.
                  thx.
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                  • #13
                    Since this thread is titled "Preliminary Talk" let me put out another suggestion. On the East Coast we only use silicones. Don't know anything about rubber or urethane tires because we don't use them except in other proxies. I would love it if you just said the spec tire is "Slot.it N22" or whatever. It's stamped on the side of the tire. This proxy, more than others is pretty regulated, stock body, stock interior, stock chassis, black stripe motor. It would be helpful for those of us who are clueless re: rubber to not have 50 choices on the tires.

                    ...just some food for thought...

                    BB

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                    • docdoom
                      docdoom commented
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                      nsr super grips are the king of the rubber proxie

                  • #14
                    Zack,
                    Put me down for something lord knows I have enough of these sitting around.

                    When you get to that point I can have a track available too.

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                    • #15
                      In... Car TBD #5

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                      • ZackM
                        ZackM commented
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                        Redlyner, my apologies for the late reply here. But Double-B already called 5 a couple posts up, if there is another number you have as backup I would prefer not to duplicate.

                        Thanks,
                        Zack
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