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  • Next Season Discussion (2020)

    As the 2019 season will likely extend into 2020 I though it would be a good idea to get the real conversation going about what we want to do for the classes and possible rules for next year. It seems like there is tremendous support to end the COY class and move on to the current production Scalextric 80s Stock Cars. Discussion from the older forums that DaVols Forums Cup Proxy Series had been hosted on did have a fairly solid rule set going. The COY class for 2019 was down-motored to get ready for this change.

    You can read the old HRW discussion at this link

    It is my belief that our series' name sake Bruce would be happy to see us keep current with this new production series. It was always one of his goals, which I strive to carry on, to make it and affordable and competitive series. Let's keep that in mind as we has out the final details... I think with what we have been doing in the COY class it is still in that spirit. The Scalextric Monte Carlo and Thunderbird are affordable, but to make them hardened enough to compete in any proxy series can take and double the price easy. Also, there is always someone willing to put in the time/effort to tune the stock wheels and gears and make that setup work.

    The era of these Monte Carlos and Thunderbirds is the late 1980s, and that being the case Winston Cup will be the title of the class. This is some of the most iconic cars in what was the beginning of NASCAR's upward surge into the most popular sport through the 1990s. The Winston Cup name will likely add some nostalgia to our new class as it will remind long time NASCAR fans of "the good ol' days" and some of the most memorable drivers and paint schemes. I have already heard some rumblings about car numbers and paint schemes that our racers want to enter next year. I'm excited to see what everyone comes up with!

    I will not post a numbers thread until the end of the current (2019) season. As in the past the owners of current numbers COT for COT and COY for Winston Cup will have priority to keep their number. It is usually assumed racers will re-use their numbers, so if you are looking to join the series I suggest thinking about using a number that is currently open.

    Here's what I see so far. This is a living document, so I will make changes as we discuss as needed. The biggest worry about the new class is the front axle loops. For those that have not worked on a newer Scalextric car, they are even less substantial then the older loops and would I believe they would not last through a full season of proxy racing. A few racers have chimed in and agreed we should allow something to beef things up. I think the SCC front axle blocks are probably the best solution. Please post up any other ideas you have, and if you have pictures that would be helpful. I'd rather try to keep things to 1 or 2 solutions rather than leave it completely open. Any possible solutions should not stiffen the chassis or axle mounts in any way.


    Tentative Rules 2020
    This post will notate any changes and when they were made.
    Overview:
    The DaVols Forum Cup Proxy (DFCP) is a NASCAR themed 1/32 scale proxy series founded by the late Bruce Kraemer. The original intent Bruce offered was a simple inexpensive way to build NASCAR style slot cars for a proxy format. Since his passing, the tradition Bruce put into place has been continued by each dedicated series director with a few tweaks over time to keep the cars current and to maintain interest. DFCP is a NASCAR style series with oval tracks raced in counterclockwise direction, and road courses that may be raced in either clockwise or counter clockwise direction, on both wood and plastic track. The series is fun to prepare for and to participate in. I would encourage any interested slot car racer to learn about DFCP and make the decision to enter this long standing traditional proxy.

    Common Rules to both COT (Generation 5 and 6) and Winston Cup (Scalextric 1980s)

    Minimum weight: Rule to be enforced the same for both classes with different limits. To be checked by series director before season opening race and at any time during the season by track hosts. Official weight to be determined by series director, hosts checks are optional. Any car found to be under minimum weight after initial inspection and during the season will be allowed a 2 gram tolerance. Cars under tolerance should be reported to series director and the most convenient solution will be determined. There will be no penalty for a car under tolerance during the season as long the car is brought up to minimum when discovered. There is no tolerance allowed at initial inspection-the official preseason minimum is set in each class rules. Let's all play fair with this rule.

    Glass: Stock windshield, side opening, and rear glass required. Glass must be clear front and rear. Glass must be secured to the body. Loose glass is not allowed.

    Appearance: NASCAR style numbers required on the roof and doors. Roof numbers should face the infield on a counter-clockwise oval. Sponsor and detail decals are optional but encouraged. Stock or builder livery's allowed. Builder livery's must maintain a NASCAR theme.

    Wheels: Front and rear, stock or CB Design 15x8 "Stock Car" CBD1410, CBD1400 or "F1/Modified" CBD0755 wheels only are allowed, any color.

    Tires: Rear, Super Tire Urethane, sized for the stock wheel or for 15x8 CB Design wheels use the 1400 series tires. Front, stock or aftermarket allowed. Zero grips allowed. Glued and trued tires allowed. Front tires must contact the track while car is in the slot and tires must roll when given a test push. Front tire coating with any substance is not allowed.

    Axles: Stock or aftermarket allowed. Must be proper length, must not protrude beyond normal appearance.

    Bushings: Stock or aftermarket allowed. may be glued in place. Ball bearing type bushings are not allowed.

    Gears: Stock or aftermarket allowed. Crown and pinion sizes/combinations are builder choice.

    Guide flag: Stock or aftermarket allowed. Aftermarket guide adapters are allowed.

    Braids: Stock or aftermarket allowed.

    Weight: Must be secured-must be concealed. Weight may not be attached on the underside of chassis.

    Magnets: The DaVols proxy is a "no magnet" series. No magnets are allowed to be added anywhere on the car. Factory chassis magnets must be removed.

    COT Specific Rules:

    COT Body: Only stock plastic bodies from the eligible manufacturers below are allowed. Modifications are allowed to the front valance/air dam/splitter and side skirts to allow for track clearance. Contact with the track surface by any part of the chassis and body is not allowed. Body posts may be trimmed. Body float is allowed. Wheel wells may be sanded to allow for tire clearance. Tires may NOT extend beyond the wheel well openings as viewed from above the car and measured at 90 degrees from a flat surface plate to the top center of the wheel well opening. Extreme body modifications are not allowed, the car must maintain a NASCAR style appearance in the judgement of the series director. COT wing must be replaced with a spoiler. If you have a question about this, please ask. Modifications as described in the common rules section are allowed.

    Interior: Stock or light weight lexan or card stock allowed. Driver or a bust including the shoulders and head required. Driver must be painted and/or decaled. Window net, stock or custom required and must be secured. Interior must be secured to the body. Loose interior is not allowed.

    COT Eligible models: Generation 5 and 6 (as described by NASCAR) Carrera, Scalextric, SCX (including Pro)


    COT Chassis: Stock or modified stock plastic chassis from eligible manufacturers allowed. Aftermarket plastic chassis allowed, including a 3d printed chassis or slot.it HRS style chassis. Slot Car Corner front axle adjusters allowed. Aftermarket motor pods allowed. Tape may be used on the underside of chassis to control pod float. Chassis may be attached to body using stock or aftermarket body screws or any secure, repeatable, non permanent method.

    COT Motor: COT is an open motor division. Any commercially available slot car motor is allowed. Builders be advised: Super high RPM motors (over 25k) are counter productive and will over match the tires and tracks and cause your car to be undriveable. If you can tame such a car, you have the option. Just keep in mind drivers of all skill levels will be racing your car. Motors may be secured using screws and/or glue or tape.

    Winston Cup Specific Rules:

    98 gram minimum weight (see common rules for details) This change is due to change in motor

    Winston Cup Eligible Models: Scalextric Monte Carlo and Scalextric Thunderbird

    Winston Cup Body: Stock plastic body from eligible models only. No body modifications are allowed. Body must match the chassis it was intended for. Body must attache to the chassis using the stock body posts with stock or aftermarket screws.

    Winston Cup Interior: Stock interior required, including driver, window net, and all other parts/pieces. Driver must be painted and/or decaled. Interior must be secured to the body. Loose interior is not allowed.

    Winston Cup Chassis: Stock plastic chassis from eligible manufacturers required. Sanding for float is allowed. Only mods described in the common rules allowed. Slot Car Corner Adjustable Front Axle Mounts may be used, front axle MUST remain in the stock height location. Stock front axle loops may be removed.

    Winston Cup Motor: Only H&R Hawk 18K or SCC Gator 18k motors are allowed. No other motor is allowed in COY division. Motor modifications are not allowed. Motors may be secured with glue/tape.
    DaVols Forums Cup Proxy Series

  • #2
    I think the Winston Cup rules look good. I like the idea of using the SCC blocks in the front to make it stronger. REL13
    Robert- Connecticut, USA. Shoreline Raceways Club.

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    • #3
      Would there be any interest in a switch to silicone tires for 2020?
      Ken, IRB Speedway, Indian Rocks Beach, Florida

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      • #4
        No No No

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        • #5
          These rules look fine to me for the Winston Cup class. No silicone.
          Last edited by REL13; February 2, 2020, 03:50 PM.
          Robert- Connecticut, USA. Shoreline Raceways Club.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by arroldn View Post
            No No No
            Yes Yes Yes 🏁🏁🏁
            Ken, IRB Speedway, Indian Rocks Beach, Florida

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            • #7
              In Australia it’s no silicon ...if it’s a silicon tyre sorry I can’t enter as my track is rubber only ....

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              • #8
                I'm happy the way they are now. I like Super Tires they wear well.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MOV41T View Post
                  In Australia it’s no silicon ...if it’s a silicon tyre sorry I can’t enter as my track is rubber only ....
                  I now have the opposite dilemma...all tracks in my area are now silicone. So I have moved in that direction on my track, all silicone now and these urethanes have no grip at all. So my host race will be all about drifting around the turns. If a car can't drift, it won't do well here.

                  Scott put a change to silicone tires out for discussion in the past. So I thought it could be discussed again. I do believe a set of silicone tires would last more than one season. They won't dry out and crack or crumble over time. I have to say, after initial inspection of the cars, the urethanes look very worn for only having 9 races on them. Anyway, keep the opinions coming if any entrant is interested.
                  Ken, IRB Speedway, Indian Rocks Beach, Florida

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                  • #10
                    I do my proxy testing on tracks that run silicone. With the right set up I can get both urethane and rubber to run pretty well. Rubber is definitely closer to the silicone performance than urethane. We've hosted proxies with both rubber and urethane tires. A well set up car will go around and the good thing is regardless of the trees as long as all cars are the same type it is an even playing field.

                    I'm looking to enter this year, so I'm an interested observer of this topic.

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                    • #11
                      Ken not sure about others but I have run 2 seasons on the same set of tires in this proxy. May be why I haven't finished so high in the standing lately I can attest that during testing to get it right one can wear out that right rear tire though. Or is it the left rear Anyway one tire wears out faster.

                      Checked my notes on the #42 which finished 3rd here last month new tires were no quicker after they had been trued. New braids however dropped a whole sec. I noticed a lot of braids on this years group of cars looked as if they had seen 2 or 3 seasons. Was surprised the cars performed so well.
                      Last edited by arroldn; February 2, 2020, 11:11 PM.

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                      • #12
                        I would enter the Winston Cup class next year, rules look great

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                        • #13
                          I would be a player for sure, on the motor front, why not just leave the standard scaley motors in, nominal18K (sure most tach around 21+) less cost then. What super tyres would fit on the Winston cup cars standard rims?

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                          • k0z0oo1
                            k0z0oo1 commented
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                            The reason we have specified a different motor is because of manufacturing tolerances. The Scalextric motors have a larger tolerance than either the H&R Blue Hawk or the SCC Gator. We decided to test both motors this last season for COY.

                            According to Super Tires, the 1400 series tires (what we are using for the 15x8 wheels) will fit the Scalextric 80s stock car wheels, with some glue. I have not yet had a chance to verify this, but it would appear so on my first glance.

                          • Pepsi 62
                            Pepsi 62 commented
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                            That's what I thought, the scaley are rather erratic in the RPM department, Using the 1400 series will simplify things in the tyre department too

                        • #14
                          I guess i am out for Grand national or Winston cup .
                          In order for more diversity, I cut the rear bubble glass and put an full rear trunk lid on mine. Putting Buick livery on a monte carlo does not look right.
                          rule :Winston Cup Body: Stock plastic body from eligible models only. No body modifications are allowed.
                          oh well.Lance
                          Do the 2019 COY cars get moved to COT?
                          I think that big aerodynamic bubble rear window was only used on super speedways like Talledega, Daytona, an maybe Charlotte.
                          Last edited by lance; February 3, 2020, 02:25 PM.
                          Lance Sofa racer

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                          • arroldn
                            arroldn commented
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                            Thanks for catching that Lance. Guess I'll just have to paint and decal that Chevy like a Dodge. I should have read the rules for the 3rd time.

                        • #15
                          Originally posted by lance View Post
                          I guess i am out for Grand national or Winston cup .
                          In order for more diversity, I cut the rear bubble glass and put an full rear trunk lid on mine. Putting Buick livery on a monte carlo does not look right.
                          rule :Winston Cup Body: Stock plastic body from eligible models only. No body modifications are allowed.
                          oh well.Lance
                          Do the 2019 COY cars get moved to COT?
                          I think that big aerodynamic bubble rear window was only used on super speedways like Talledega, Daytona, an maybe Charlotte.
                          Interesting idea there Lance! I had not considered someone looking to adapt the Chevy to another GM brand, but that is something that I would support I believe. It was written that way to prevent someone intentionally widening the fenders, lightening the body, etc.

                          I do not believe the aero coupe body was limited to the super speedways, but cannot find a reference are this time.
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