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  • 2021 DaVols Forums Cup Proxy Series Rules

    ****Cars Due March 29th 2021****

    Entry fee: $17.50 per car
    Entry limit: 2 cars per class (COT and Winston Cup), Field will be capped at 42 total cars, any mix for WC and COT.

    Pay Pal: https://paypal.me/pools/c/8vHQUm8ZHi
    Please submit one payment per car, Please put Class/Car # in the comment for each payment. The payments are set up for $17.50 each


    Ship to:
    DaVols Forums Cup
    c/o Scott Kozokas
    68 Diamond Ave
    Hanover Township, PA 18706


    Slot Car Corner is the Victory Lane sponsor for the 2020 DaVols Forums Cup Proxy Series. They will be supporting us by providing some prizes at the end of the season. Thanks to Steve for reaching out with this tremendous offer!

    Rules 2021
    This post will notate any changes and when they were made.
    Overview:
    The DaVols Forum Cup Proxy (DFCP) is a NASCAR themed 1/32 scale proxy series founded by the late Bruce Kraemer. The original intent Bruce offered was a simple inexpensive way to build NASCAR style slot cars for a proxy format. Since his passing, the tradition Bruce put into place has been continued by each dedicated series director with a few tweaks over time to keep the cars current and to maintain interest. DFCP is a NASCAR style series with oval tracks raced in counterclockwise direction, and road courses that may be raced in either clockwise or counter clockwise direction, on both wood and plastic track. The series is fun to prepare for and to participate in. I would encourage any interested slot car racer to learn about DFCP and make the decision to enter this long standing traditional proxy.

    Common Rules to both COT (Generation 5 and 6) and Winston Cup (Scalextric 1980s)

    Minimum weight: Rule to be enforced the same for both classes with different limits. To be checked by series director before season opening race and at any time during the season by track hosts. Official weight to be determined by series director, hosts checks are optional. Any car found to be under minimum weight after initial inspection and during the season will be allowed a 2 gram tolerance. Cars under tolerance should be reported to series director and the most convenient solution will be determined. There will be no penalty for a car under tolerance during the season as long the car is brought up to minimum when discovered. There is no tolerance allowed at initial inspection-the official preseason minimum is set in each class rules. Let's all play fair with this rule.

    Glass: Stock windshield, side opening, and rear glass required. Glass must be clear front and rear. Glass must be secured to the body. Loose glass is not allowed.

    Appearance: NASCAR style numbers required on the roof and doors. Roof numbers should face the infield on a counter-clockwise oval. Sponsor and detail decals are optional but encouraged. Stock or builder livery's allowed. Builder livery's must maintain a NASCAR theme.

    Wheels: Front and rear, stock or CB Design 15x8 "Stock Car" CBD1410, CBD1400 or "F1/Modified" CBD0755 wheels only are allowed, any color.

    Tires: Rear, Paul Gage Urethane original FIRM compound only, sized for the stock wheel or for 15x8 CB Design. Front, stock or aftermarket allowed. Zero grips allowed. Glued and trued tires allowed. Front tires must contact the track while car is in the slot and tires must roll when given a test push. Front tire coating with any substance is not allowed. (Scalextric Monet Carlo and Thunderbird as well as the 15x8 wheels can use PGT-21105)

    Axles: Stock or aftermarket allowed. Must be proper length, must not protrude beyond normal appearance.

    Bushings: Stock or aftermarket allowed. may be glued in place. Ball bearing type bushings are not allowed.

    Gears: Stock or aftermarket allowed. Crown/spur and pinion sizes/combinations are builder choice.

    Guide flag: Stock or aftermarket allowed. Aftermarket guide adapters are allowed.

    Braids: Stock or aftermarket allowed.

    Weight: Must be secured-must be concealed. Weight may not be attached on the underside of chassis.

    Magnets: The DaVols proxy is a "no magnet" series. No magnets are allowed to be added anywhere on the car. Factory chassis magnets must be removed.

    COT Specific Rules:

    104 gram minimum weight (see common rules for details)

    COT Body: Only stock plastic bodies from the eligible manufacturers below are allowed. Modifications are allowed to the front valance/air dam/splitter and side skirts to allow for track clearance. Contact with the track surface by any part of the chassis and body is not allowed. Body posts may be trimmed. Body float is allowed. Wheel wells may be sanded to allow for tire clearance. Tires may NOT extend beyond the wheel well openings as viewed from above the car and measured at 90 degrees from a flat surface plate to the top center of the wheel well opening. Extreme body modifications are not allowed, the car must maintain a NASCAR style appearance in the judgement of the series director. COT wing must be replaced with a spoiler. If you have a question about this, please ask. Modifications as described in the common rules section are allowed.

    Interior: Stock or light weight Lexan or card stock allowed. Driver or a bust including the shoulders and head required. Driver must be painted and/or decaled. Window net, stock or custom required and must be secured. Interior must be secured to the body. Loose interior is not allowed.

    COT Eligible models: Generation 5 and 6 (as described by NASCAR) Carrera, Scalextric, SCX (including Pro)


    COT Chassis: Stock or modified stock plastic chassis from eligible manufacturers allowed. Aftermarket plastic chassis allowed, including a 3D printed chassis or slot.it HRS style chassis. Slot Car Corner front axle adjusters allowed. Aftermarket motor pods allowed. Tape may be used on the underside of chassis to control pod float. Chassis may be attached to body using stock or aftermarket body screws or any secure, repeatable, non permanent method.

    COT Motor: COT is an open motor division. Any commercially available slot car motor is allowed. Builders be advised: Super high RPM motors (over 25k) are counter productive and will over match the tires and tracks and cause your car to be undriveable. If you can tame such a car, you have the option. Just keep in mind drivers of all skill levels will be racing your car. Motors may be secured using screws and/or glue or tape.

    Winston Cup Specific Rules:

    98 gram minimum weight (see common rules for details)

    Winston Cup Eligible Models: Scalextric Monte Carlo and Scalextric Thunderbird

    Winston Cup Body: Stock plastic body from eligible models only. No body modifications to height, wheel base, or fender widths are allowed. Body must match the chassis it was intended for. Body must attach to the chassis using the stock body posts with stock or aftermarket screws. (A question was asked about filling in the rear deck area on the Monte Carlo to create the non-aero rear window. Also, there was talk about grafting a Pontiac or Buick nose onto the Monte Carlo body. Both of these would be legal.)

    Winston Cup Glass: If rear deck area is modified to remove bubble aero rear window, a suitable replacement must be installed. (Ask if you have any questions)

    Winston Cup Interior: Stock interior required, including driver, window net, and all other parts/pieces. Interior may not be cut, ground, or modified shape in any way. Bushing supports may be removed from bottom of interior. Driver must be painted and/or decaled. Interior must be secured to the body. Loose interior is not allowed. (The stock interior will prevent lowering the body as the motor will not allow it.)

    Winston Cup Chassis: Stock plastic chassis from eligible manufacturers required. Sanding for float is allowed. Only mods described in the common rules allowed. Slot Car Corner Adjustable Front Axle Mounts may be used, front axle MUST remain in the stock height location. Stock front axle loops may be removed, but the lower section of rails must remain and will be used as the low point of the front axle.

    Winston Cup Motor: Only H&R Hawk 18K, SCC Gator 18k, or Predator 18k motors are allowed. No other motor is allowed in Winston Cup division. Motor modifications are not allowed. Motors may be secured with glue/tape. Screws may not be used to secure the motor as it would require a modification to the motor mounts.
    Version Date Description
    1.0 01/02/2021 Initial Post, including updates from discussion thread
    1.1 01/11/2021 fixed reference to old COY devision
    Last edited by k0z0oo1; January 11, 2021, 01:12 PM.
    DaVols Forums Cup Proxy Series

  • #2
    Looks good Scott! Thanks for getting these out there.

    Payment due date?

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    • k0z0oo1
      k0z0oo1 commented
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      As long as payment is in before the start of the season, that’s good enough for me!

    • cj74
      cj74 commented
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      Coolio. Thank you sir!

  • #3
    Thanks Scott

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    • #4
      Thank you Scott for all your hard work.
      Robert- Shoreline Model Raceways Club
      Connecticut, U.S.A.

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      • #5
        OK for those who wanted Paul Gauge Tires, what is the difference in these three tires?

        PGT 20105 Firm
        PGT 20105 LM Firm
        PGT 20105 LMDF Shore 40

        So which is the tire for this series?

        I see you have updated the tire rule. Do you have to use the 21mm size? Is that as low as you can go?
        Last edited by arroldn; January 2, 2021, 11:52 AM.
        Arrold Martin
        Nashville TN

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      • #6
        "No other motor is allowed in COY division." Scott this line needs to read; No other motor is allowed in WC division.

        I know since this is only the 2nd year for Winston Cup it is hard to get away from the COY designation.
        Arrold Martin
        Nashville TN

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        • k0z0oo1
          k0z0oo1 commented
          Editing a comment
          Great catch!

      • #7
        What Paul Gauge tire fits the SCX Pro Wheel? It is 14x8. The tire for the 15mm wheel is a little loose.
        Arrold Martin
        Nashville TN

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        • #8
          arroldn, I think the rules say you can only use 15x8 rims.
          Robert- Shoreline Model Raceways Club
          Connecticut, U.S.A.

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          • #9
            I know but I was trying to keep from having to buy another set of wheels. Rules say stock or 15x8. When we were on YellowDogs didn't have that problem.
            Arrold Martin
            Nashville TN

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            • k0z0oo1
              k0z0oo1 commented
              Editing a comment
              The SCX pro wheels are fine. I have had issues with them bending in the past.

              As for tire fitment, I have always used the original method for PGT which was to measure the rib of the wheel and pick the diameter and width I wanted.

          • #10
            arroldn, I just looked at SCC site and it says for SCX pro PGT-21105, and PGT-21125 will fit.
            Robert- Shoreline Model Raceways Club
            Connecticut, U.S.A.

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            • arroldn
              arroldn commented
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              OK let me check the fitment for the SCX wheel . They actually came out to 21.9mm when I tested them on the 15x8 CBD Stock Car wheel.

              Okay, the 21105 does fit snug on the SCX Pro Wheel. The 19105 fits but not snug. Not sure if nail polish would hold up under proxy conditions with the smaller tire. I have the 20105 ordered so I'll see how they work and make a decision.
              Last edited by arroldn; February 16, 2021, 04:25 PM.

          • #11
            So, for the first time since I have been the series director we have multiple rules infractions during technical inspection. In the past, I have worked with a car owner on small things and did not impost points penalties. I honestly do not like the idea of points penalties, however in this situation where there is 11 total infractions I feel the rules must be enforced. I guess we will need to add a penalty section to the rules for 2022.

            As for the late arriving cars, I was notified prior to the deadline by PAID entrants what their situation was. UNPAID entrants have not contacted me to inform me they would not be participating, though if they were able to ship cars in the next week I would accept them. I do not feel we need to have a penalty for late arrivals, especially with the current social climate.

            I wish this discussion did not have to happen, and I will not release the penalty list until we determine the penalty amount. I would like as many of the PARTICIPANTS to weigh in as possible, but want to settle this issue swiftly. A decision will be made on Wednesday April 7th prior to the cars leaving for Race #1.

            I propose a POINT PENALTY of 11 points per infraction. This is calculated as 1/4 of total points available in 1 race. The decision made here will be used going forward for this series.
            DaVols Forums Cup Proxy Series

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            • #12
              So you plan on letting them run the way they are with the infractions? I guess 11 points seem fair.
              Robert- Shoreline Model Raceways Club
              Connecticut, U.S.A.

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              • k0z0oo1
                k0z0oo1 commented
                Editing a comment
                Yes, I plan to let the car run with the 11 point penalty

            • #13
              That cool.
              Robert- Shoreline Model Raceways Club
              Connecticut, U.S.A.

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              • #14
                I defer to the race director!! (now if I can remember what I did wrong lol)

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                • cj74
                  cj74 commented
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                  I'm scratching my head too. 😂

              • #15
                Unfortunately, I don't have .much experience with penalties and hope that continues. However, I believe you've been doing this a long time Scott and are extremely fair. I have faith that the proposal you've made is a fair approach given the situation.

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