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  • 2020 DaVols Forums Cup Proxy Series Rules

    ****Cars Due May 29th 2020****

    Entry fee: $17.50 per car
    Entry limit: 2 cars per class (COT and Winston Cup)

    Pay Pal: 1 car - http://paypal.me/SKozokas/17.50
    2 cars - http://paypal.me/SKozokas/35.00
    3 cars - http://paypal.me/SKozokas/52.50
    4 cars - http://paypal.me/SKozokas/70.00
    Please pay Friends & Family. If you pay Goods & Services, it charges a fee of 2.9% + $0.30 so instead of the full amount of $17.50 the series only gets $16.69. This may not seem like a big deal... but every little bit is accounted for as postage to race hosts, trophies, and return postage to racers. Please keep this in mind.

    Ship to:
    DaVols Forums Cup
    c/o Scott Kozokas
    68 Diamond Ave
    Hanover Township, PA 18706


    Slot Car Corner is the Victory Lane sponsor for the 2020 DaVols Forums Cup Proxy Series. They will be supporting us by providing some prizes at the end of the season. Thanks to Steve for reaching out with this tremendous offer!

    Rules 2020
    This post will notate any changes and when they were made.
    Overview:
    The DaVols Forum Cup Proxy (DFCP) is a NASCAR themed 1/32 scale proxy series founded by the late Bruce Kraemer. The original intent Bruce offered was a simple inexpensive way to build NASCAR style slot cars for a proxy format. Since his passing, the tradition Bruce put into place has been continued by each dedicated series director with a few tweaks over time to keep the cars current and to maintain interest. DFCP is a NASCAR style series with oval tracks raced in counterclockwise direction, and road courses that may be raced in either clockwise or counter clockwise direction, on both wood and plastic track. The series is fun to prepare for and to participate in. I would encourage any interested slot car racer to learn about DFCP and make the decision to enter this long standing traditional proxy.

    Common Rules to both COT (Generation 5 and 6) and Winston Cup (Scalextric 1980s)

    Minimum weight: Rule to be enforced the same for both classes with different limits. To be checked by series director before season opening race and at any time during the season by track hosts. Official weight to be determined by series director, hosts checks are optional. Any car found to be under minimum weight after initial inspection and during the season will be allowed a 2 gram tolerance. Cars under tolerance should be reported to series director and the most convenient solution will be determined. There will be no penalty for a car under tolerance during the season as long the car is brought up to minimum when discovered. There is no tolerance allowed at initial inspection-the official preseason minimum is set in each class rules. Let's all play fair with this rule.

    Glass: Stock windshield, side opening, and rear glass required. Glass must be clear front and rear. Glass must be secured to the body. Loose glass is not allowed.

    Appearance: NASCAR style numbers required on the roof and doors. Roof numbers should face the infield on a counter-clockwise oval. Sponsor and detail decals are optional but encouraged. Stock or builder livery's allowed. Builder livery's must maintain a NASCAR theme.

    Wheels: Front and rear, stock or CB Design 15x8 "Stock Car" CBD1410, CBD1400 or "F1/Modified" CBD0755 wheels only are allowed, any color.

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    Tires: Rear, Super Tire Urethane, sized for the stock wheel or for 15x8 CB Design wheels use the 1400 series tires. Front, stock or aftermarket allowed. Zero grips allowed. Glued and trued tires allowed. Front tires must contact the track while car is in the slot and tires must roll when given a test push. Front tire coating with any substance is not allowed. (Scalextric Monet Carlo and Thunderbird wheels can use 1405RY Super Tires, they will likely need to be glued onto the wheel as fit is not snug and may slip)

    OPTIONAL FOR 2020
    Tires: Rear, Paul Gage Urethane original FIRM compound only, sized for the stock wheel or for 15x8 CB Design. Front, stock or aftermarket allowed. Zero grips allowed. Glued and trued tires allowed. Front tires must contact the track while car is in the slot and tires must roll when given a test push. Front tire coating with any substance is not allowed.
    (Scalextric Monet Carlo and Thunderbird as well as the 15x8 wheels can use PGT-21105)
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    Axles: Stock or aftermarket allowed. Must be proper length, must not protrude beyond normal appearance.

    Bushings: Stock or aftermarket allowed. may be glued in place. Ball bearing type bushings are not allowed.

    Gears: Stock or aftermarket allowed. Crown and pinion sizes/combinations are builder choice.

    Guide flag: Stock or aftermarket allowed. Aftermarket guide adapters are allowed.

    Braids: Stock or aftermarket allowed.

    Weight: Must be secured-must be concealed. Weight may not be attached on the underside of chassis.

    Magnets: The DaVols proxy is a "no magnet" series. No magnets are allowed to be added anywhere on the car. Factory chassis magnets must be removed.

    COT Specific Rules:

    104 gram minimum weight (see common rules for details)

    COT Body: Only stock plastic bodies from the eligible manufacturers below are allowed. Modifications are allowed to the front valance/air dam/splitter and side skirts to allow for track clearance. Contact with the track surface by any part of the chassis and body is not allowed. Body posts may be trimmed. Body float is allowed. Wheel wells may be sanded to allow for tire clearance. Tires may NOT extend beyond the wheel well openings as viewed from above the car and measured at 90 degrees from a flat surface plate to the top center of the wheel well opening. Extreme body modifications are not allowed, the car must maintain a NASCAR style appearance in the judgement of the series director. COT wing must be replaced with a spoiler. If you have a question about this, please ask. Modifications as described in the common rules section are allowed.

    Interior: Stock or light weight Lexan or card stock allowed. Driver or a bust including the shoulders and head required. Driver must be painted and/or decaled. Window net, stock or custom required and must be secured. Interior must be secured to the body. Loose interior is not allowed.

    COT Eligible models: Generation 5 and 6 (as described by NASCAR) Carrera, Scalextric, SCX (including Pro)


    COT Chassis: Stock or modified stock plastic chassis from eligible manufacturers allowed. Aftermarket plastic chassis allowed, including a 3D printed chassis or slot.it HRS style chassis. Slot Car Corner front axle adjusters allowed. Aftermarket motor pods allowed. Tape may be used on the underside of chassis to control pod float. Chassis may be attached to body using stock or aftermarket body screws or any secure, repeatable, non permanent method.

    COT Motor: COT is an open motor division. Any commercially available slot car motor is allowed. Builders be advised: Super high RPM motors (over 25k) are counter productive and will over match the tires and tracks and cause your car to be undriveable. If you can tame such a car, you have the option. Just keep in mind drivers of all skill levels will be racing your car. Motors may be secured using screws and/or glue or tape.

    Winston Cup Specific Rules:

    98 gram minimum weight (see common rules for details)

    Winston Cup Eligible Models: Scalextric Monte Carlo and Scalextric Thunderbird

    Winston Cup Body: Stock plastic body from eligible models only. No body modifications to height, wheel base, or fender widths are allowed. Body must match the chassis it was intended for. Body must attache to the chassis using the stock body posts with stock or aftermarket screws. (A question was asked about filling in the rear deck area on the Monte Carlo to create the non-aero rear window. Also, there was talk about grafting a Pontiac or Buick nose onto the Monte Carlo body. Both of these would be legal.)

    Winston Cup Glass: If rear deck area is modified to remove bubble aero rear window, a suitable replacement must be installed. (Ask if you have any questions)

    Winston Cup Interior: Stock interior required, including driver, window net, and all other parts/pieces. Interior may not be cut, ground, or modified shape in any way. Bushing supports may be removed from bottom of interior. Driver must be painted and/or decaled. Interior must be secured to the body. Loose interior is not allowed. (The stock interior will prevent lowering the body as the motor will not allow it.)

    Winston Cup Chassis: Stock plastic chassis from eligible manufacturers required. Sanding for float is allowed. Only mods described in the common rules allowed. Slot Car Corner Adjustable Front Axle Mounts may be used, front axle MUST remain in the stock height location. Stock front axle loops may be removed, but the lower section of rails must remain and will be used as the low point of the front axle.

    Winston Cup Motor: Only H&R Hawk 18K or SCC Gator 18k motors are allowed. No other motor is allowed in COY division. Motor modifications are not allowed. Motors may be secured with glue/tape. Screws may not be used to secure the motor as it would require a modification to the motor mounts.
    Version Date Description
    1.0 02/08/2020 Initial Post, including updates from discussion thread
    1.1 02/08/2020 Added OPTIONAL tire, Paul Gage FIRM compound
    1.2 02/14/2020 Added COT minimum weight
    Last edited by k0z0oo1; February 14, 2020, 04:03 AM.
    DaVols Forums Cup Proxy Series

  • #2
    That looks good Scott. Nice job on the rules.
    Robert- Connecticut, USA. Shoreline Raceways Club.

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    • #3
      All,
      The discussion on tires has come up at the start or the past 2 seasons. While I do not see a reason to change the proxy to a silicone based series, I do believe we can support the manufacturers that give back to the slot car community. That being said, we do not receive support from Super Tires. The Yellow Dog Urethane Super Tires have been the specified tire since I joined the series in 2013. I do not make this decision lightly, and have had plenty of success with the Yellow Dogs, but I feel with the start of a new class (Winston Cup) it is time to make a change. For the 2020 season we will allow Paul Gage FIRM compount (PGT, not XPG) as well as the Yellow Dogs in both classes. After the 2020 season, we will discuss what direction to go weather it be go back to spec Yellow Dogs, allow both, or change to spec Paul Gage.
      DaVols Forums Cup Proxy Series

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      • #4
        Scott have you ask Nick and Sandy at SuperTires? I took the qualifying podium pictures in front of their logo. A week later I received and e-mail from Nick saying for my support of their tires he was sending me a banner and 6 sets of SuperTires.
        Last edited by SCC_Steve; February 9, 2020, 06:47 PM.

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        • k0z0oo1
          k0z0oo1 commented
          Editing a comment
          I have had communication with them in the past, and they were not interested in supporting the series each time I asked. Eventually I just stopped asking. I was personally sent tires a time or two... but that does not help the series.

          Anyway... this is an opportunity to try out Paul’s tires vs the yellow dogs, and see how things play out.

          Also, there has been racers in the past not participate because we were locked down to the yellow dogs. This will give them the opportunity to enter with their tire of choice

      • #5
        Scott, Will COT minimum weight be 104 grams this year?

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        • k0z0oo1
          k0z0oo1 commented
          Editing a comment
          Yes, good catch! It will be updated

      • #6
        Will cars still be due May 29th?

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        • k0z0oo1
          k0z0oo1 commented
          Editing a comment
          Let’s continue forward with this as planned for now. We can adjust the schedule and host tracks as needed. Hopefully the hosts can help coordinate here. With everything going on here and abroad we need our hobbies to give us something to look forward to.

      • #7
        Is there a minimum clearance rule for either class?

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        • #8
          I don't think there has ever been a written rule regarding clearance.
          COT: "Contact with the track surface by any part of the chassis and body is not allowed." "Body posts may be trimmed." "Extreme body modifications are not allowed, the car must maintain a NASCAR style appearance in the judgement of the series director." So while there is in mention of a clearance min or max I think the spirit here is that while the car can be lowered from the stock position it cannot be overly slammed. The COT car with the front splitter is already pretty low.

          I do recall one year the COT cars on a certain 3D chassis scraped the Carrera track in the high banks. The gas tank was the issue and I filed mine down the following year.

          COY: "No body modifications to height, wheel base, or fender widths are allowed. Body must match the chassis it was intended for. Body must attache to the chassis using the stock body posts with stock or aftermarket screws." " Slot Car Corner Adjustable Front Axle Mounts may be used, front axle MUST remain in the stock height location. Stock front axle loops may be removed, but the lower section of rails must remain and will be used as the low point of the front axle." I have yet to look at the COY chassis for modifications other than placing some weight on the left side. I would think the rules are stating that while the front axle housing can be upgraded the axle most remain in the stock location. There is no mention of allowing the body post to be trimmed. Thus I would think that the car must remain at stock ride height and the body cannot be lowered. Looking at the chassis if you snip the axle carrier off you cannot cut into the rail that runs the length of the chassis. You would have to place the SSC axle mount along the side of the rail if I read this correctly.

          Hopefully Scott will clarify this for us.
          Last edited by arroldn; May 3, 2020, 08:36 AM.

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          • cj74
            cj74 commented
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            Thanks for the feedback and historical perspective sir!

        • #9
          Hi guys, are we allowed to slightly trim the chassis for body float. I couldn't find it in the rules. 😬 Any help greatly appreciated.

          - Josh

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          • #10
            COT Specific Rules:
            Body float is allowed.

            While this is stated only in the COT rules it has been common in both categories in the past. I would think this still applies. We'll let Scott chime in.

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            • #11
              Winston Cup Chassis: Stock plastic chassis from eligible manufacturers required. Sanding for float is allowed. Only mods described in the common rules allowed. Slot Car Corner Adjustable Front Axle Mounts may be used, front axle MUST remain in the stock height location. Stock front axle loops may be removed, but the lower section of rails must remain and will be used as the low point of the front axle.
              copied directly from the above rules. Sanding for float is allowed
              DaVols Forums Cup Proxy Series

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              • arroldn
                arroldn commented
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                How did I miss that??? As I stated in an earlier post: Read the rules once, twice, three times and then read again

            • #12
              I knew I was missing something....apparently it was my brain!🤪

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              • #13
                Sorry guys wont be able to make the 29th May date, so I'll have to miss this year

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