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    Read on Freeslotter some information about planned products. Not really my thing but some people might be interested.

    N̶e̶w̶ ̶m̶̶̶i̶̶̶x̶̶̶e̶̶̶d̶̶̶ ̶̶̶m̶̶̶o̶̶̶d̶̶̶e̶̶̶ ̶w̶i̶r̶e̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶w̶i̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶e̶r̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶s̶.̶ ̶I̶m̶p̶r̶o̶v̶e̶d̶ ̶m̶e̶c̶h̶a̶n̶i̶c̶a̶l̶ ̶d̶e̶s̶i̶g̶n̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶s̶m̶o̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶o̶p̶e̶r̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶.̶ ̶T̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶i̶m̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶r̶e̶l̶e̶a̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶f̶a̶r̶.̶ ̶A̶̶̶p̶̶̶p̶̶̶a̶̶̶r̶̶̶e̶̶̶n̶̶̶t̶̶̶l̶̶̶y̶̶̶ ̶̶̶c̶̶̶o̶̶̶n̶̶̶t̶̶̶r̶̶̶o̶̶̶l̶̶̶ ̶̶̶(̶̶̶p̶̶̶r̶̶̶e̶̶̶s̶̶̶u̶̶̶m̶̶̶a̶̶̶b̶̶̶l̶̶̶y̶̶̶ ̶̶̶t̶̶̶h̶̶̶r̶̶̶o̶̶̶t̶̶̶t̶̶̶l̶̶̶e̶̶̶ ̶̶̶a̶̶̶n̶̶̶d̶̶̶ ̶̶̶b̶̶̶r̶̶̶a̶̶̶k̶̶̶e̶̶̶)̶̶̶ ̶̶̶i̶̶̶s̶̶̶ ̶̶̶d̶̶̶i̶̶̶r̶̶̶e̶̶̶c̶̶̶t̶̶̶ ̶̶̶t̶̶̶o̶̶̶ ̶̶̶r̶̶̶e̶̶̶c̶̶̶e̶̶̶i̶̶̶v̶̶̶e̶̶̶r̶̶̶ ̶̶̶i̶̶̶n̶̶̶ ̶̶̶c̶̶̶a̶̶̶r̶̶̶,̶̶̶ ̶̶̶s̶̶̶o̶̶̶ ̶̶̶I̶̶̶'̶̶̶m̶̶̶ ̶̶̶g̶̶̶u̶̶̶e̶̶̶s̶̶̶s̶̶̶i̶̶̶n̶̶̶g̶̶̶ ̶̶̶a̶̶̶ ̶̶̶n̶̶̶e̶̶̶w̶̶̶ ̶̶̶i̶̶̶n̶̶̶ ̶̶̶c̶̶̶a̶̶̶r̶̶̶ ̶̶̶r̶̶̶e̶̶̶c̶̶̶e̶̶̶i̶̶̶v̶̶̶e̶̶̶r̶̶̶ ̶̶̶i̶̶̶s̶̶̶ ̶̶̶a̶̶̶l̶̶̶s̶̶̶o̶̶̶ ̶̶̶i̶̶̶n̶̶̶ ̶̶̶t̶̶̶h̶̶̶e̶̶̶ ̶̶̶w̶̶̶o̶̶̶r̶̶̶k̶̶̶s̶̶̶.̶ ̶I̶t̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶a̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶a̶t̶i̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶e̶x̶i̶s̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶C̶a̶r̶r̶e̶r̶a̶ ̶s̶y̶s̶t̶e̶m̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶I̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶t̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶c̶o̶r̶r̶e̶c̶t̶l̶y̶.̶ ̶I̶ ̶b̶a̶u̶l̶k̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶i̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶f̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶I̶ ̶w̶o̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶h̶o̶w̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶m̶p̶l̶e̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶l̶a̶n̶e̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶n̶g̶i̶n̶g̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶u̶b̶j̶e̶c̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶h̶e̶a̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶c̶u̶s̶s̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶a̶n̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶u̶m̶ ̶r̶e̶g̶a̶r̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶s̶i̶m̶i̶l̶a̶r̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶d̶u̶c̶t̶s̶.̶ ̶ ̶T̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶i̶n̶t̶e̶r̶e̶s̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶w̶a̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶i̶m̶p̶l̶e̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶o̶t̶t̶l̶e̶.̶ ̶I̶t̶ ̶w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶h̶i̶g̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶r̶e̶s̶o̶l̶u̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶o̶t̶t̶l̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶t̶r̶o̶l̶.̶ ̶S̶o̶m̶e̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶I̶ ̶w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶a̶c̶h̶i̶e̶v̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶m̶y̶ ̶o̶w̶n̶ ̶c̶a̶r̶s̶,̶ ̶(̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶I̶ ̶a̶m̶ ̶l̶o̶o̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶w̶a̶y̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶a̶c̶h̶i̶e̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶)̶

    EDIT!!! My understanding was incorrect, there is no direct communications to a new receiver, my thinking was led by recent discussions of other systems. Apologies for the mistake.

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    Another product in the works looks like a new motor pod. Can anyone tell me what chassis this pod is sitting in? I suspect it will be using springs for the suspension. It is still in the works and I think this photo was released as a bit of a teaser to whet the appetite. I wonder if it is for 1/24 cars?

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    It amazes me that for a hobby that is struggling, when it comes to the bigger players balancing the books, that there are so many aftermarket options available on the market for the mainstream brands (e.g. Scalextric, Carrera etc)
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    Last edited by Slotspeed; December 2, 2019, 06:01 PM. Reason: Edited due to my own misunderstanding of how the product works.

  • #2
    That looks like a 1:24 Carrera chassis for sure.
    Last edited by JamieB; December 1, 2019, 09:29 AM.

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    • #3
      How prompt is Frankenslot in shipping orders?
      They are the only supplier I’ve found for urethane tires for the BRM Ford Escort. Thought it might be worth getting one of their Carrera axle kits to experiment with while I was ordering.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Slotspeed View Post
        It will also be compatible with the existing Carrera system if I understand correctly. I baulked a bit before posting this because I wonder how they will implement lane changing... The subject of heated discussions in another forum regarding similar products.
        Easy enough- it will still communicate with the CU, to insert lane change requests into the data stream. You need the car chip because the car chip will ignore the track data feed, and will determine it's throttle position based on what it receives from the controller. I am wondering if this is the reason for the 'mixed mode' tag re: wired/wireless? It is plugged into the CU so that it can send lane change requests normally, but it sends throttle data to the car chip wirelessly?

        They are pretty inventive at Frankenslot, so it may be like this, and it may be something that doesn't come quickly to mind. But I would say the controller definitely needs to communicate with the CU as well as the car chip in order to make lane change requests. The factory chip in the lane changer reads the data stream from the track to determine whether or not it needs to open.
        Last edited by b.yingling; December 1, 2019, 09:05 AM.

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        • #5
          Hi Bruce,

          It is used either wired or wireless, that is part of the sales pitch. The wired or wireless operation is easily user selected they say. The term "Mixed Mode" was my own attempt to describe the function but perhaps it was not the best choice of words. A few months ago I suggested on another forum that one way to implement higher throttle resolution control of a car on a Carrera system would be to go direct wireless from the controller to the car, and for the lane change requirements, add another receiver that connects directly to the LC contacts on the 6pin MMJ connector on the controller input of the CU. (the date stamped forum posts still exist and I also have screenshots) Then about two weeks later one manufacturer announces that they are planning a system that does exactly that. Then a few weeks later, another. So it must have been a pretty good idea. Obviously Slot.it had something out there that used some other methods to achieve the same result, I wonder if they will bother to improve the original implementation.

          Steve.
          Last edited by Slotspeed; December 1, 2019, 04:41 PM.

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          • #6
            If it can be used wired or wireless, then I would expect it just transmits on two frequencies when in wireless mode. One to the car chip, and one to a standard Carrera wireless dongle. I don't think they would add their own dongle. That would either preclude using them with Carrera controllers, or require a lot of pointless duplication of effort. If you have to talk to a car chip and a dongle- why not talk to a factory dongle? They already know how to do that.
            Last edited by b.yingling; December 1, 2019, 04:53 PM.

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            • #7
              If they do it that way it means the purchaser also has to purchase or already have a Carrera wireless controller receiver dongle. I suppose many users may already have one. The other manufacturer that I mentioned is talking about doing the exact concept I mentioned with their own receiver box that plugs into the controller inputs. Is there any information about the Carrera wireless controller dongle and protocol out there? All I've seen is the protocol for the rails. Would be interesting to see the wireless controller info.

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              • #8
                Frankenslot already make a wireless controller (which, BTW, increases throttle resolution through clever and quick manipulation of the 15 factory stages), and it uses the Carrera dongle. That's why I don't see them re-inventing the wheel on a new dongle.
                Last edited by b.yingling; December 1, 2019, 07:36 PM.

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                • #9
                  Thanks for the info Bruce, that is interesting. I also have done some experiments switching between the throttle steps to create intermediate throttle points (with the wired controllers its easy enough) The problem I encountered is that with the intermediate steps introduced, the throttle position is effectively sampled only 6.5 times a second (because by switching between the two positions you are effectively dividing the sampling time base by 2), so with my mod at least, you get audible pulsing in the PWM output. The cars actually drive smoother but the noise is too annoying. It sounds a bit like a V twin motorcycle engine but only on every second speed step! Have you tried this particular Frankenslot controller Bruce? Would be interesting to hear some reports.
                  Last edited by Slotspeed; December 1, 2019, 08:09 PM.

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                  • #10
                    I have not used them, and I doubted their usefulness due to the CU running at 13hz. But those who use them swear by them. (Of course, if I spent $130.00 on a controller, I'd swear by it as well LOL). But users report they can definitely tell a difference when they set the controller to use >15 steps or leave it set to use the normal 15 steps. They say it is clearly more than just enjoying the trigger over a thumb plunger.
                    Last edited by b.yingling; December 2, 2019, 01:10 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Just went to Frankenslot's forum on freeslotter. They have a nice post describing their new wired/wireless controller. At no point do they claim it speaks directly to the car. They just mention that the new controller has done away with the potentiometer entirely, claiming it's far smoother than their existing offering. And they point out that it will work just fine mixed with Carrera and other brand controllers, just like their current offerings.

                      So instead of selling a wired controller and a wireless controller (their current offerings), they will have a wired/wireless controller. Their current wired controllers need an extension box (that they sell) to offer more than 15 throttle steps, and their wireless controllers do not. So this new offering will do away with the need for the box when used as a wired controller and still offer finer throttle control.
                      Last edited by b.yingling; December 2, 2019, 04:02 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by b.yingling View Post
                        Just went to Frankenslot's forum on freeslotter. They have a nice post describing their new wired/wireless controller. At no point do they claim it speaks directly to the car. They just mention that the new controller has done away with the potentiometer entirely, claiming it's far smoother than their existing offering. And they point out that it will work just fine mixed with Carrera and other brand controllers, just like their current offerings.

                        So instead of selling a wired controller and a wireless controller (their current offerings), they will have a wired/wireless controller. Their current wired controllers need an extension box (that they sell) to offer more than 15 throttle steps, and their wireless controllers do not. So this new offering will do away with the need for the box when used as a wired controller and still offer finer throttle control.
                        Hi Bruce,

                        You are correct. I have misunderstood. I made the wrong conclusion, bearing in mind I am not much good at German language.

                        Probably I was misguided by recent thoughts of such a system.

                        Thanks for having a look and correcting me on this. I will see if I can add a note to the original post.

                        Steve.

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