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    HELP! We are contemplating running a spec Slot.it Group C race in our club. Now F1Fan has also put forward the possibility of a Slot.it Group C cars. Over time with different cars there has been a phasing in of i) the EVO chassis, ii) the CH70 offset pod and iii) the bigger 16.5mm rear wheels. I believe there are some performance advantages in having the latest spec components for a "stock" class. I am in the process of writing the rules for our group and, while both the "old spec" and the "new spec" cars will be legal, I would like to help people that have to buy cars for the series to know which cars come with the newer components. And I am finding it impossible to find this information. I would like to avoid the situation where somebody buys a car and when they get it they find out they have to buy a new chassis, pod, wheels and inserts to be competitive.

    Yes, I know I can tell them to only buy a current year model and avoid the problem. But that limits the selection and also eliminates the possibility of buying a better priced, slightly older car that still has the "good bits".

    The old Slot.it site had a section on car models where you could click on most cars and get a list of components used in that model. I went back to the old site but, while the landing page and some pages are still "alive", when you click on the different models the page comes up blank. Ergo I drew a blank there.

    The new site has something similar, but it seems like they only list cars that are from the current model year. So a blank there as well.

    My appeal: does anybody know where I can find a complete list of Slot.it Group C cars that shows what components they had/have in them please?

    Thanks!

    Alwyn

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    Alwyn

    I don't think there is really such an official database. Some club or an avid collector may have created something themselves.

    To be honest - the differences are more in other areas -

    There has been a gradual lightening of bodies through the years.
    The switch to the 0.5mm offset pods - which lowered the cars. - I THINK it coincided with the larger wheels to give same ground clearance, but I may be wrong.
    The various generations of the V12/3 motor - It has been pulling 23k for about 5 years. Prior to the squarer can version it was more like 21k
    So when they renamed the motors as MX17, they were just catching spec up to reality.
    The more recent models like the Nissan have light bodies - but the Nissan has a narrower track. Hard to get competitive in a high grip environment
    The new Toyota 86c is an easy car to set up, and very balanced.

    I would suggest that anything released more than 5 years ago to be avoided, on the basis of the accumulation of the above factors.
    But we have a 10 year old 956 that is hard to beat in club, it has all the "old-bad bits"

    But it should be easy to get a basic idea of release year from a dealer, and most stock in stores will almost certainly have 23k motors and the larger wheels unless they have REALLY old stock.

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    • #3
      The biggest things to me: the newer cars have the chassis with the holes for grubs to adjust front axle height, better square can motors, and interiors with better cutouts on the underside for pod clearance. Short answer is have them get a newer one, lol.

      Too bad slot.it have gotten rid of their section with all of the old car details. I was recently looking for such info. I found that googling the car part number will usually produce images of the old cars details like this... a bit labor intensive. Here is old vs new, should be the same for all car variants except chassis and inserts...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LegOutOfBed View Post
        Alwyn

        I don't think there is really such an official database. Some club or an avid collector may have created something themselves.

        To be honest - the differences are more in other areas -

        There has been a gradual lightening of bodies through the years.
        The switch to the 0.5mm offset pods - which lowered the cars. - I THINK it coincided with the larger wheels to give same ground clearance, but I may be wrong.
        The various generations of the V12/3 motor - It has been pulling 23k for about 5 years. Prior to the squarer can version it was more like 21k
        So when they renamed the motors as MX17, they were just catching spec up to reality.
        The more recent models like the Nissan have light bodies - but the Nissan has a narrower track. Hard to get competitive in a high grip environment
        The new Toyota 86c is an easy car to set up, and very balanced.

        I would suggest that anything released more than 5 years ago to be avoided, on the basis of the accumulation of the above factors.
        But we have a 10 year old 956 that is hard to beat in club, it has all the "old-bad bits"

        But it should be easy to get a basic idea of release year from a dealer, and most stock in stores will almost certainly have 23k motors and the larger wheels unless they have REALLY old stock.
        Thanks. As mentioned in my post, my biggest reason for wanting this info is to know whether a specific model has the EVO chassis (mainly for front axle adjustment) and the offset pod and bigger wheels. So far it does not look like there is a nice simple source of this info.

        Cheers

        Alwyn

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Redlynr View Post
          The biggest things to me: the newer cars have the chassis with the holes for grubs to adjust front axle height, better square can motors, and interiors with better cutouts on the underside for pod clearance. Short answer is have them get a newer one, lol.

          Too bad slot.it have gotten rid of their section with all of the old car details. I was recently looking for such info. I found that googling the car part number will usually produce images of the old cars details like this... a bit labor intensive. Here is old vs new, should be the same for all car variants except chassis and inserts...
          Lazy me was hoping that someone has found a nice, neat, comprehensive and up-to-date database for this info. The eternal optimist me.... And yes: the adjustable front axle is the biggy for me as well, with the offset pod and bigger wheels a second consideration.

          Oh well, looks like the long way around is the only way tho go.

          Thanks again

          Alwyn

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          • #6
            Here are the Part Numbers for the Group C Slot.It chassis that have the adjustable front axles. They are all around $6, less that a pair of N22 tires. They can use either Anglewinder or sidewinder pods.

            Sauber C9: CS05T-60b
            Porsche 962: CS03T-60C
            Jaguar: CS13T
            Mazda 787: CS15T-60
            Toyota88c: CS19T-60B
            Nissan R89C: CS28T-60
            Lancia: CS08T

            I think that is all of them.
            I get paid to build models, race slot cars, and travel to museums.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Starfighter Ace View Post
              Here are the Part Numbers for the Group C Slot.It chassis that have the adjustable front axles. They are all around $6, less that a pair of N22 tires. They can use either Anglewinder or sidewinder pods.

              Sauber C9: CS05T-60b
              Porsche 962: CS03T-60C
              Jaguar: CS13T
              Mazda 787: CS15T-60
              Toyota88c: CS19T-60B
              Nissan R89C: CS28T-60
              Lancia: CS08T

              I think that is all of them.
              Thanks but that is not the issue. I know what the current part numbers are. I know what the old part numbers were. I do not know for each of the individual in between models of each of the cars what parts they have. For instance I am sure the old Porsche SICA02a had ALL the old bits and the old 25k motor. I KNOW the current SICA02i has ALL the new bits. But I do not know what each of the SEVEN intermediate models included. For instance: did the SICA02e have the old or new motor, chassis, pod and wheels? The SIC02c? And when you add the cost of the chassis, pod and wheels (if you want to go that far to be sure you are competitive in a class race), you are getting to more than $20. Possibly add the motor (old 25K vs new orange endbell) and the cost goes up more. This is not trivial on a $50 car and totally avoidable IF you know what is in a specific car.

              And yes I know the simple answer is "buy the latest and be sure". But some people like some of the older liveries plus you sometimes get good prices on older releases. In our group we could have >10 people looking to buy new cars. With likely more than 20 variations of Group C cars (if you consider the fact that the Porches alone consist of combinations of 956, 962, LH, KH etc etc and there are multiple models of Lancias such as LC2, LC2-85 etc) and each of those has maybe 5 releases (a - i for SICA02 for instance: 9 releases), the number of options become extreme.

              That is why it sure would have been nice if there was one place to look for this info. But I accept that I might just be crying for the moon.

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              • #8
                Alwyn, have you considered contacting Maurizio directly? He’s always been very responsive to customers needs and this is an important issue for any racer of Slot.It products. Invaluable information, really. I’m sure he would have one of his people put together a pdf brochure of this information, if requested.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Fast Co. View Post
                  Alwyn, have you considered contacting Maurizio directly? He’s always been very responsive to customers needs and this is an important issue for any racer of Slot.It products. Invaluable information, really. I’m sure he would have one of his people put together a pdf brochure of this information, if requested.
                  Good thought Steve, thanks. I initially had two thoughts/concerns:

                  1. I was the only idiot interested in this information
                  2. Maybe I just wasn't looking hard enough and this information is available somewhere. I am still hoping on this one...

                  But if nothing is forthcoming I will definitely e-mail Slot.it and ask. It might be a long shot but how does the saying go: If you do not get something that you really want it shouldn't be because you did not ask for it! OK, I actually made that up but it does kinda make sense to me!

                  Alwyn

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                  • Fast Co.
                    Fast Co. commented
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                    I think the information would be very useful for virtually any slot racer. I would like to see all manufacturers provide such information. As consumers, we would be better able to make informed purchase decisions.

                • #10
                  looks like the book is on a platform called issuu.com and have to sign up to access it.
                  thanks technology.
                  signed up. looked at book, it is slotit, not slot it.
                  publisher decided not to allow downloads for this publication. thanks slot it.
                  l already have 2 messages from issuu. thanks for the junk email
                  Last edited by lance; January 24, 2020, 09:11 PM.
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                  • #11
                    maybe this helps?
                    Attached Files
                    Last edited by lance; January 24, 2020, 09:33 PM. Reason: edited so i would not be
                    Lance Sofa racer

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                    • #12
                      You can still grab the same 2017 parts catalogue on a live link to the old site.
                      http://slot.it/Download/BROCHURE/SLO...ies_6-2017.pdf

                      But that isn't what Alwyn needs.
                      He wants to know at which livery of each Group C model, were chassis introduced which had feature such as ability to set front axle height with grub screws - (an important point i omitted when discussing model differences earlier.) And as he says, one of the most important tuning feature differences. Also at which livery of each model, the larger wheels, and the 0.5mm offset chassis etc came into play.
                      None of that can be gleaned from the latest parts catalogue.

                      Useful link to all the old downloads at a parent page http://slot.it/INGLESE/slotit_GB.php - fill your boots while the links are still there folks.

                      Alwyn, I went back as far as the 2014 parts catalogue, and we had chassis versions with suffix T60 there. I think the T60 designation was when the chassis with grub screw front axle height setting came out.
                      That is 6 years ago. I can't imagine someone wanting to buy a livery older than 2014 even if they found it on Ebay, as it would have a heavier body, and likely the other disadvantages like smaller wheels, perhaps no offset on ride height, older guide with no lead in front of post etc.

                      FWIW- there is a new parts catalogue due out by end of February.

                      Alwyn - I have started looking back back to some old newsletters I sent out
                      February 2014 - Porsche CA02g released, and the first two Nissan R89 liveries. They all had 0.5mm offset pods and grub screw axle height setting. That tallies with the 2014 parts catalogue which showed the T60 chassis.

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                      • lance
                        lance commented
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                        yes, your link is what i remember. Thank you. I have downloaded it for reference
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